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Post by Marigold on Jan 4, 2003 22:10:41 GMT
Do you think that MAYBE just *MAYBE* Kurt killed himself b/c he knew that time would only make him the subject of many jokes? I mean, he himself had said many times that Nirvana would be touring malls and playing reunion tours unplugged, and he always made fun of how cheesy that was. He wrote about that many times.... so do you think that possibly Kurt saw that he was at the top of his fame... and the only way to go once you're on the top is down? I mean, maybe Kurt recognized that the only way to go was down.. and he didn't wanna be degrated to playing reunion tours in times of pop music and body glitter..... ya think?
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Post by drugenduced on Jan 4, 2003 22:46:16 GMT
it makes sense in some ways. kurt more than likely knew that this type of music, "grunge" and whatnot, couldn't possibly stay around any longer than it's welcome. so as a result of that nirvana would eventually break up but still play together in some ways. if he were alive today i'm sure people would be begging for a reunion just like what has been done with other groups. i'm sure he wouldn't want that. i'm sure dave and krist wouldn't like that too much either. but i don't think he killed himself to avoid it. kurt knew how to say "fuck you" to the public if he didn't want to do something. he wasn't afraid of saying no to them. and if he didn't feel like saying no, he'd just fuck around with them until they got the hint that he wasn't enjoying it. it's possible that he could've killed himself to escape what was the come in the future but i'm not sure if he did it to escape disappointing fans in the future for something he didn't want to do.
i'm not sure if that made any sense. i hope it did though.
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Post by MmmK? on Jan 5, 2003 3:01:47 GMT
Do you think that MAYBE just *MAYBE* Kurt killed himself b/c he knew that time would only make him the subject of many jokes? I mean, he himself had said many times that Nirvana would be touring malls and playing reunion tours unplugged, and he always made fun of how cheesy that was. He wrote about that many times.... so do you think that possibly Kurt saw that he was at the top of his fame... and the only way to go once you're on the top is down? I mean, maybe Kurt recognized that the only way to go was down.. and he didn't wanna be degrated to playing reunion tours in times of pop music and body glitter..... ya think? wow...thats deep. |
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Post by Insane Karmality on Jan 5, 2003 3:56:30 GMT
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Post by Marigold on Jan 5, 2003 4:48:31 GMT
whoa..... i didn't think i was being too deep. But yeah, what kyla said was pretty much what I meant... its a dispoinatment to him to play reunion tours..... maybe to escape the future. not fans....
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Post by floydthebarber on Jan 5, 2003 16:01:53 GMT
Despite what is thought I think that Kurt Also Loved his fans because you can see a great example of this at unplugged when he took time to hug those kids! although it sometimes seemed he hated us because of all the wealth and stuff from it....  I just lost my cool bean status |
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Post by Polly on Jan 5, 2003 23:48:25 GMT
well i fink he was kinda scared of the thought of nirvana turnin in2 a band that dont piss off... like the BeeGee's their all really old but they still play no 1 likes them but they dont get hints they still fink they r loved that was like 20 yrs ago get over it guys
in my opinion i no way in hell would Kurt giv up his daughter just coz a couple of shitty reunion tours... but who knows wat went on in kurts head, only he does i mean we can specul8 and argue but no 1 will ever no the truth and maybe it is best kept like that
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Post by imodium on Jan 6, 2003 2:05:24 GMT
right,here's my view's im not flaming anyone here..
but i think thw whole idea of kurt killing himself cos Nirvana's sucsess would start to slowly decrease is stupid..we will never know why he decided to take his own live..that answer was taken away with kurt but here is my opinion on the nirvana sucsess thing.
i dont think kurt was stupid enough to do sumthing like that..i mean c'mon. music was his life and was important to him but for god sake he had a daughter,and a life..i presume he knew there was life beyond nirvana.Also in heavier than heaven i dont rember the perticualr part but he says he would have quit nirvana(i dont rember the reason) if he wasent on contract.
you know it just sounds far fetched to think that he killed himself cos in 2 years time a Nirvana album might fail to go platinum - sure he would never want that happen - i once again presume.but in a down to earth prospect and you see that kurt commited sucide due to Nirvanas unstable and unpredictabloe future is silly.
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Post by Marigold on Jan 6, 2003 2:44:14 GMT
well I don't think its stupid or silly, b/c in his journal he said that in the future Nirvana would be playing reunion tours in malls and the circus, and that the coming attraction would be nirvana and cotton candy or someting like that. Now whether that depressed him or not, thats what I'm asking. I don't think it was stupid or silly of me to simply ask. What I said had absolutely nothing to do w/ what Kurt felt about fans, this thread has to do w/ what Kurt felt about the future of Nirvana. Also, I'd like to point out I did not ever say.. Kurt killed himself b/c of Nirvana's unstable future..... I said that *MAYBE* those ideas he had and had written down several times contributed to him killing himself. Granted, I don't think that if that was the case that was the ONLY reason... but Kurt said and wrote many times... "I hope I die before I turn into Pete Townshend." Now for me to be 'silly' or 'stupid' just b/c I am using Kurt's own words, then I guess that what I quoted from Kurt was 'stupid and silly.'
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Post by emma on Jan 6, 2003 12:43:47 GMT
I agree with what you said in your original post Marigold - you too Kyla. I think Kurt pretty much foresaw the future of Nirvana, and the future of music. Perhaps what he saw wasn't entirelty accurate but he appeared to believe it.
Towards the end of Heavier Than Heaven (and the Azerrad book) there's talk of Kurt becoming this total recluse, always threatening to split up the band, or just leave the band himself... people not being able to find him for days (the days that lead up to his death). These sound like the actions of a man who knows his future, and doesn't want it. Like the quote about him not wanting to turn into Peter Townshend... I definately believe one of the main factors of Kurt's suicide was his belief that Nirvana were going to turn into a band that were a joke, that played in malls and on reunion tours. I think he wanted his music to be preserved while it was still good and not played out, old tired and sold out.
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